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johansamin
Posts:654
Posted:5/13/2010 11:55:41 PM
It is so sad to see those once proud South African armoured cars rusting away, but they are monuments to the men that died there that day at Ebo. We pay homage and honour the following:
  • 67728378PE Capt. J.W. Holm (Danie Theron Combat School)
  • 05477377PE WO. A.J. Benson (4 South African Infantry Battalion)
  • 71475925BC L/Cpl. J.J. Taljaard (2 Special Service Battalion)
  • 72449325BC L/Cpl. G. Volgraaf (2 Special Service Battalion)
  • 71259428BC Cav. N. Lombard (1 Special Service Battalion)
    as well as the eleven wounded. At least 70 unknown black FNLA soldiers were also either killed, wounded, missing or captured.

  • terryasp
    Posts:20
    Posted:5/24/2010 12:46:13 PM
    Posted By johansamin on 5/12/2010 7:11:04 PM

    In the Russian documentary on 'Red Africa', Igor Zhdarkin claims in segemnt 17.43 - 17.54 (in minutes) that "there was a Buffalo battalion which consisted of 12 companies of mercenaries from different countries".


    It is interesting that the Russians had this impression of 32 Battalion (12 and not 7 companies!) and that they comprised of foreign mercenaries (if you could count the ex-FNLA Angolan soldiers of 32 as mercenaries, seieing they were in South African employment!).


    Another interesting piece is the interview with Alaks Anatol, wherin he claims to have been a former (Russian) instructior in Buffalo battalion. (Segment 17.55 - 19.53). It appears he joined the battalion in order to obtain American citizenship after escaping to the USA from the former USSR. He is now a Daoist priest in Boston.


    I embedded the video from RuTube.ru at http://www.warinangola.com/Default.aspx?tabid=1027,






    Hi Johan
    Had a look at the video, its a pitty its not in English, it certainly looks and sounds very interesting. Strange how they refer to people fighting on the South African side as mercenaries, while they discribe themselves as Advisors??

    Terry


    johansamin
    Posts:654
    Posted:5/24/2010 4:12:58 PM

    Yes, I agree, Terry.... we were also initially only involved in an "advisory role" and assisted only with training of Unita soldiers and advising the Unita commanders.


    We called these teams that got directly involved in 1987 "Liaison Teams" of which we deployed three teams under Colonel Fred Oelschig, Colonel Bert Sachse and Commandant Les Rudman. Each liaison team consisted of the actual 18-man liaison team, and a protection element of 11 Pathfinders attached from 1 Para. Their vehicles comprised of two Casspirs, two mine protected supply trucks (probably Kwêvoëls), a Blesbok and a Samil-100 Kwêvoël and a Withings armoured recovery vehicle. Heavy weapons included the vehicle mounted 7.62 and 12.7mm machine guns, some Vickers medium machine guns and an 81 mm mortar, a VERY flexible structure.


    Unita did not like the concept of "advisory teams", as they felt it cast doubt on their military ability! The idea was initially just to have someone on the ground that could keep in touch with the situation. This concept was accepted by Unita. That these teams might also give advice or assistance where necessary and possible, was tacitly understood by all.


    So you can see.... we also had "advisors" in the field before getting directly involved!


    The initial Cuban involvement was also limited to an "advisory role" but it quickly escalated to direct involvement as well.... Yet they are not referred to as "mercenaries".


    We were there by invitation from both the FNLA (in 1975) and UNITA, while the Cubans and Russians were there by invitation from the MPLA. Yet we were regarded as "mercenaries" and the "invaders"!


    Oh, the idiosyncrasies of war! LOL



    terryasp
    Posts:20
    Posted:8/21/2010 9:54:51 AM

    Definition of  Mercenary


    Whenever the definition of  Mercenary comes up, we are always told to check out the Geneva Conversions version that most nations signed. To which it's also worth noting that both Britain and France managed to get an exemption for their respective fighters from foreign lands i.e. the Gurkhas and Legion. Say what you like they are still Mercenaries, or in this political correct crazy world we are now living in maybe I should call them Contractors.


    However, what I'm interested in, is when somebody goes to another country and is recruited to fight for that countries Military service on the same wage as all the other serving members. They are still fighting under a foreign flag to the one in which they came from, and in most cases they are still citizens of that country. In some case they might even be doing it with the consent of their  countries government, while in others they are not. Therefore are  they Mercenaries?  I think they are, but I would like to add why is that a problem, I have no issues with that. Although some times the hypocrisy of some countries to cover up the truth has amazed me. However, I do see a place for a well trained military minded person in most theaters of war around the world.


    I guess the only time there might be a conflict is when that person is fighting against his own country of citizenship?


    It's also worth noting  that most people consider a  Mercenary to be somebody who fights for a foreign country for money. However, I know of some who have fought for nothing other than a roof over their head and a plate full of food to keep them going. Oh and a fully loaded weapon in their hands.


    Terry



    terryasp
    Posts:20
    Posted:8/21/2010 9:57:56 AM

    I've added a new page on my website about Mozambique, that includes an extract from one of Pedros books.
    The new Page is at
    http://www.mercenary-wars.net/mozambique/index.html

    While Pedro's story is at
    http://www.mercenary-wars.net/mozambique/Pedro-article.html


    Regards


    Terry



    terryasp
    Posts:20
    Posted:8/23/2010 11:36:18 AM
    Hi Johan
    I'm wondering if you might be able to help?
    I've just been reviewing something I wrote about the Iraq conflict many months ago, and was wondering if you could confirm if this information has changed or does it still stand.
    I wrote it several months ago, if its wrong I'll willingly change it ???
    Hope you can help
    Cheers
    Terry

    Its just a paragraph:

    There is another problem that has reared its ugly head that may cause problems further down the track. At this time of writing (2010) more than a third of the Contractors come from South Africa and its rumoured that the South African government wants to pass a law that their citizens are not allowed to leave their country and fight for a foreign country. If and when this law is passed many of these Contractors will not be able to return home because of the threat of imprisonment. And this from a so called democratic government, who refuse to add the names of white South African soldiers who have fallen in combat on their National War Memorial!!!!!

    johansamin
    Posts:654
    Posted:8/23/2010 11:39:58 AM

    Very well said, Terry... Yes, its a fact that that was on the table, especially when it came out that some South Africans were involved in the attempted coup in Equitorial Guinee. A news item on News24 on 2009-11-04 indicated that:


    Pretoria - The National Prosecuting Authority (NPA) will have to consider whether the legal precedent of double jeopardy is applicable should the four released South African mercenaries be charged again in South Africa. According to legal experts, the question is whether an accused had in essence already been punished enough. The NPA indicated it would comment in more detail at a later stage. The four South Africans were held since 2004 in Equatorial Guinea after a failed coup and assassination attempt on President Teodoro Obiang Nguema. They were part of two groups of South Africans who were arrested in Zimbabwe and Equatorial Guinea in March 2004.

    I think the important thing here is the paragraph that in essence they have been punished enough. The fact is still that it depends on the National Prosecuting Authority whether to take action in cases like these...


    A couple of interesting articles can be found on News24 here: http://www.news24.com/Tags/People/nick_du_toit


    An Article in the Business Day of 4 Aug 2010 indicates that the 2010 South African Citizenship Ammendmend Bill is in the process of been enacted. It has been referred to as a "erosion of rights"... See the article: http://allafrica.com/stories/201008040503.html


    The entire Bill can be obtained from the SA govt site here: http://www.parliament.gov.za/live/commonrepository/Processed/20100802/273746_1.pdf 


    In the MEMORANDUM ON THE OBJECTS OF THE SOUTH AFRICAN CITIZENSHIPAMENDMENT BILL, 2010 page 9, Para 1.6:


    The Bill also proposes a further condition for loss of South African citizenship. It is proposed that a South African citizen shall cease to be a South African citizen if he or she engages in a war under the flag of a country that the Government of the Republic does not support.

    It appears they are not threatening imprisonment, but loss of Citizenship!


    The controversy about the white South Africa casualties NOT appearing on the National Wall of Freedom has been like flogging a dead horse for many years... The Afrikaner fallen from the Boer Wars have been listed, as well as the Cubans of the Angola War....and the Russians are also proclaiming to add the names of the 54 Russians that has fallen in Angola to it....but not a SINGLE member of the SADF that has fallen since 1961 to 1994... See the SA Roll of Honour Database at http://justdone.co.za/ROH/  


    We had to erect our own Memorial at the Voortrekker Monument in Pretoria which we honour every year at the Memorial Service (see my entries about the Wall Of Remembrance on www.warinangola.com: at http://www.warinangola.com/Default.aspx?tabid=720.


    This annual service was just conduced on last Sunday. I am waiting for feedback about the service...


    We will honour our own fallen...!


    Regards


    Johan Schoeman



    terryasp
    Posts:20
    Posted:8/30/2010 1:08:08 PM
    Hi Johan
    I've just posted an article on a fellow Royal Marine who served in Rhodesia.
    This might be of interest to some of your web site visitors.
    I'm always looking for stories like this especially if it involves my fellow Marines
    Terry
    http://www.mercenary-wars.net/biography/clive-mason.html

    johansamin
    Posts:654
    Posted:8/30/2010 1:15:44 PM

    Very interesting Terry.....thanks!

    I am busy reading the book on the Selous Scouts by Lt Col Ron Reid Daly and Peter Stiff right now!  Gets me all excited about some future refights!

    BTW. are you aware that Lt Col Ron Reid Daly has passed away this last month?

    I have posted it to the Forum too.. http://www.warinangola.com/default.aspx?tabid=590&forumid=2&postid=778&view=topic


    Regards
    Johan


     


     



    terryasp
    Posts:20
    Posted:8/30/2010 9:34:20 PM
    Hi Johan
    Thanks for that sad information, I'll pass it on to a few friends.
    Meant to also mention to you that I have had to make some major changes to John Earlys Bio (Rhodesia).
    That could also be of interest to you
    Cheers
    Terry

    http://www.mercenary-wars.net/biography/john-early.html

    terryasp
    Posts:20
    Posted:11/1/2010 6:18:48 PM

    It might be of interest to some visitors to this section, that I have just added a History Time Line to the Angolan and Congo sections of my website.


    For the Congo here is a short cut http://www.mercenary-wars.net/congo/index.html
    and for Angola its http://www.mercenary-wars.net/angola/html  


    If you think you can add anything to either Time lines I would be interested to hear from you


    Thanks for your time
    Terry



    terryasp
    Posts:20
    Posted:11/1/2010 10:03:50 PM
    Sorry the Angolan link above should read
    http://www.mercenary-wars.net/angola/main-page.html

    Terry

    terryasp
    Posts:20
    Posted:3/26/2011 2:22:36 AM
    Hi Johan

    Wondering if anyone might be able to help

    I'm trying to find out if 'Siggi Mueller's' in Boksburg, J'burg, has still got its doors open???

    Terry



    exreme
    Posts:2
    Posted:9/28/2011 7:39:13 AM
    Hello everyone

    I came across this site whilst researching the Angolan war and particularly the role of the CIA and MI6 in the recruitment of (British) mercenaries in 1975/76. If anybody has any information on this I would be very grateful.

    I would also like to contact anyone who may have known my uncle, Michael Andrews, an ex-Green Jacket who was to be found in Rhodesia and in Namibia where I'm told he was fighting against the SWAPO.

    Cheers

    host
    Posts:2141
    Posted:9/30/2011 1:17:16 PM
    I know of two places where you might be able to find out more...

    One is Terry Aspinal's site on Mercenaries at
    http://www.mercenary-wars.net/angola/main-page.html

    and the other is the New Rohodesian Forum at
    http://www.newrhodesian.net/


    exreme
    Posts:2
    Posted:10/2/2011 4:20:18 AM
    Hello

    Just wanted to say a big thank you to Terry Aspinall who has been of tremendous help with my research.

    I understand from what I've read is that there were maybe four MI6 agents recruited (knowingly or unknowingly) by John Banks and that this recruitment may have dated back to 1974. I also understand that Leslie Aspin was involved in the recruitment and that he had links to the CIA.

    Again, any background information on either of these two (Terry has a biography of Banks) would be gratefully received.

    Cheers

    Matrixpub
    Posts:1
    Posted:6/23/2012 4:48:17 PM
    Just to clarify some points about battle group X-Ray under Fred Rindel.

    Foxbat was a small offshoot group that went to a bridge on the Luanda road quite a long way off.
    It consisted of 4 90mm and 1 60mm Eland. I was in the 60mm. Our 60mm went as escourt for a jeep with 2 engineers to a bridge 160km from our temporary base were the 90mm remained for the day. The engineers had to plant plastic on the bridge and show Unita how to detonate it if the MPLA came down that way.

    I also noticed some errors in the make up of 1 SSB's X-Ray contingent.

    It consisted of 20 Elends. 5 armoured troops of 4 Elands each. There were 4 troops (16 cars) of 90mm and 1 troop (4 cars) of 60mm. We had an echelon section which was made up of 4 mogs (1 was ammo, 1 was fuel, 1 was rat packs can't remember what the 4th was),there were 2 or 3 jeeps.

    We were flown to Silva Porte from Grooties. Yes we had no ID or SA uniforms. We had 2 (green) fire proof overals and a jacket, a pair of takkies (no boots) and a Portuguese military cloth hat, our dixies and water bottle and FN. No money was allowed and South African markings on our toothpaste had to be scraped off. We were also only allowed to speak in English and we were ordered not to shave either. That meant we were "officially" not from SA.

    If we were captured by the enemy, the SA government could not do anything to get us out, we did not belong to SA. We had signed forms to volunteer for the mission at 2am on the Thursday morning when we had arrived at Grooties after a 4 day train journey from a railway siding in Bloemfontein.

    We went up the eastern side to Luso. The day after Luso was taken (that afternoon) we went on a chase up to Bucaco. There was a river we could not cross , it was blown. A guy I worked with years later, Fransois Swart, who was in Reccies, they had been ordered to blow the bridge before we got there, to prevent the enemy coming back to Luso after we left. X-Ray also had one section of infantry 10 guys and one section of artilliary (4 x 25 pounders). After Bucaco we only had 3 25 pounders left. Something went wrong with the 4th cannon and they had to blow the barrel, I saw it blown.
    1 SSB then went to "Boxers Rest" to the center west after the pull back from Lumege.

    There is a lot more that could be told but I would be here for weeks. :-) If you want more info, I will get guys who were with me in X-ray to get onto this forum as well. Bishoff is a member of this site, he was there as well.


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